. >> none of this happens without edward snowden. let's be realistic. do we really believe clapper would have released what he did today? the nsa would be deciding they need to be forthcoming? the president tried to say that's not true, they would have done this review. maybe they'd have done some of this but there's no way we'd be seeing all this. >> i think at least chelsea manning had the courage to face judge. the big issue here is that, you know, you have not just the government having access to this but tens of thousands of private contractors, right? every american has 75% of their e-mail traffic now in the hands of contractors who may end up letting that fall into the wrong hands. >> that's the issue here. the government can say all they want. nobody intended for this to be malicious. the problem is it just takes one rogue guy to be malicious. >> it's amazing it didn't happen sooner. you do have all of these government contractors. >> this guy, he was looking for a way to bring attention. somebody could have been more malicious. >> there's no qu